Through its developed
search for the definition of rhetoric and the questioning of art, and amidst its
constant shift in discussions of power in reference to persuasion, Plato’s Gorgias closes with an unapologetic
Socrates engaged in lonely argument with himself. The work features question
upon question, with few concrete answers given in return.
It seems
Socrates asks questions that he indeed 1) already knows the answers to but is
asking anyway with the goal of questioning the knowledge of the respondent or provoking
additional debate, or 2) has foreshadowed the respondent’s answer of which will
in turn provide an outlet for his following practiced thought. Here are several
examples of this practice:
SOC.: And for all the
other arts that we were just now talking about, we shall be able to show
that they are craftsmen
of persuasion, and what the persuasion is, and about what, won’t we?
POL.: Yes. (35)
SOC.: Weren’t you saying
that suffering injustice is worse, but doing injustice is more shameful?
POL.: I was. (61)
SOC.: Aren’t you saying
that the more intelligent man is superior? Say yes or no.
POL.: I am. (82)
SOC.: Now tell me: do
you mean something such as to be hungry and, being hungry to eat?
POL.: I do. (87)
In each of these
examples, Socrates begins a series of questions that egg on or frustrate Gorgias
and/or his students; he is a pusher and a persuader (so some believe). This
tactic does not go over well with his participants, thus he begins to lose them
one-by-one. James Kastely writes of this in his In Defense of Plato’s Gorgias. Kately writes: “Early in the
dialogue, Socrates addresses this point by explaining that he will continue to
ask questions and pursue a dialectical form of discourse even though he has a
good idea of what Gorgias’s answers might be” (98). To Socrates, I send the
following video:
This clip could
express those feelings of Callicles and Polus (for it certainly did mine). Kastely
provides reasoning for my distaste with the following lines: “Those who object
to the dialogue take their dissatisfaction with it at face value and do not
consider that part of Gorgias’s
rhetorical strategy might be to provoke dissatisfaction and, further, that this
provocation might be essential to Plato’s understanding of the philosophical importance
of rhetoric” (97).
In the end, it
is Gorgias who compels Socrates to complete his argument: “I, myself, in any
case, wish to hear you go through the remaining things by yourself” (104). Socrates
adheres to the request and thus begins a lengthy, concluding argument with
himself. Socrates is demanding with his speech even after Callicles announces
that he is not persuaded by Socrates’ words.
SOC.: Can it be that, as
you enter upon the city’s business, you will then take care of anything else
for us but that we citizens be as good as possible? Or have we not agreed many
times already that the political man must do this? Have we agreed or not?
Answer! We have agreed—I shall answer for you… (114)
This idea of
arguing with oneself cannot be better described than through the following
video. Jeff Dunham, a well-know ventriloquist, makes a living doing essentially
that which Socrates does to conclude Plato’s work. (Note: Pardon the crude comments and explicit references… it’s a Jeff
Dunham trademark.)
From this video,
not only do viewers see this concept of one man literally arguing with himself
as he portrays other characters and their respective thoughts (similar to
Socrates), but they, too, get a sense of the idea of power with the character
Peanut. Peanut is forceful and demanding in his exchanges with Jose the Jalapeno
(on a stick) and viewers witness the so-to-speak bickering of which Socrates
and his fellow speakers also engaged.
Sources:
Dunham, Jeff. “Arguing
with Myself—Peanut & Jose Jalapeno.” 12 November 2008. YouTube. Accessed on
09 September 2012.
Plato. Gorgias. Ithaca, NY: Cornell UP, 1998.
Print.
“Rhetorical
Answers.” 29 August 2008. YouTube. Accessed on 09 September 2012.
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